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DmC Creator Calls Capcom DLC ‘Scam’! Wait. No He Hasn’t.

DmC Creator Calls Capcom DLC ‘Scam’! Wait. No He Hasn’t.

Congratulations, games journalism, on getting it wrong all over again.

We’ve only just recovered from the Mass Effect 3 ending debacle where an unusually high number of games journalists were not only defending the ending (an opinion is an opinion, we’ll begrudgingly admit) but then calling out those slating the ending. Why? Because “disgruntled gamers who didn’t get their happily ever after”, completely ignoring the fact that all endings were the same and only ever a different colour. Which is, you know, what everyone was complaining about. If only there was some sort of collected opinion that could be found on the developer’s official forums which highlighted this. Like some sort of, you know, forum thread that was over 1,500 pages long. Oh. Oh hang on.

And now there’s been a sudden flood of news stories over this weekend how Devil May Cry creator Hideki Kamiya has called Capcom’s DLC practices, a hot topic in the wake of the Street Fighter x Tekken on-disc DLC controversy, a ‘scam’! Gasp! How dare he!

Except this is even more embarrassing and shows off an even lower level of research than the Mass Effect 3 ending nonsense.

Here’s the original tweet that sparked the frenzy. Kamiya is agreeing to a tweet which reads ‘Sounds more like a scam if game content is intentionally withheld simply to squeeze more money out of a product’. Nothing is mentioned about Capcom’s DLC on there. In fact, if those reporting the story had actually bothered to read the tweet just before that…

PrCat88: What if the content is in the disc and locked to pay for later?
Kamiya: If it costed to make DLC, users have to pay for it, I think.

Which is the exact opposite of what is being reported, as Kamiya’s opinion echoes that of Capcom.

Well done everyone! Because it’s much easier to create a sensationalist headline from an out-of-context tweet and then create your own context around it than it is to research a story properly and hope that accuracy doesn’t take away from a fun scandal you can create yourself.

Where is Capcom even mentioned? Besides Kamiya having worked for Capcom in the past and the question to him arguably being about Capcom’s DLC practices following the Street Fighter x Tekken saga, does Kamiya ever link the question to Capcom? No. That’s sensationalist reporting which has done that, putting two and two together and ending up with five.

Another fun fact – that tweet was dated 5th March. Some people are only just reporting it this weekend, on 17th and 18th March, almost two weeks later. Two weeks! What if BBC waited until next Saturday to report that Chelsea knocked Napoli out the Champions League?

What happened in those two weeks? Kamiya had time to tweet this, this and this about the article on PSBeyond. At least, to give PSBeyond some credit, they did their news story the following day and not almost two weeks later, like the majority of news sites seem to have done. Not that this is the appropriate time to get into the whole are-you-copying-news-from-each-other conspiracy theory but, you know. It’s kind of weird how this has suddenly become a major news story almost two weeks after the fact.

But also, Kamiya tweeted this and this on the 8th March, so it’s not like he’s withholding from giving his own opinion on the news stories that went up. Hell, he’s giving most games journalists another chance to see what upset him and do their own story on it. But no, let’s wait another 10 days for that to happen, eh?

To make it worse, not only have some started doing their own news story on it nearly two weeks after the fact, but they’ve run the story and then asked Kamiya for clarification, as shown by this tweet.

We don’t tend to run many news stories on our blog, as we’re Play magazine first and foremost and that eats up most of our working time (the stupid lists and topical articles are as much of a release valve as anything else) but seeing this level of incompetence isn’t good for anyone – it breaks the trust between games journalists and readers, games journalists and the industry and hell, games journalists with each other.

Everyone makes mistakes but this is just sloppy. Research is not an optional extra that you indulge yourself with if you have time. It’s an essential part of the job. Please start doing it. As a compulsory thing. There’s no excuse not to.

Otherwise we all look bad and really, that’s no good for anyone.




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  • I hope this is a joke article?

    You lambest the gaming journalist for not doing proper research while NOT doing your own.

    Take note that the questioned asked to Kamiya was DIRECTLY in correlation to Street Fighter X Tekken. Since gaming journalists have done an overall horrible job in keeping up to date on WHY this is such a hot topic, hackers, gamers and fans took to exploring the topic instead. This is why fans asked Hideki about the issue without specifically naming Street Fighter x Tekken or Capcom but that’s what the question was related to. Again, had you done your own research as to why they asked this question then you would obviously know that PSBeyond DID NOT twist his words.

    Read the latest on what Kamiya had to say to clarify his stance on the issue. HIS WORDS WERE NOT TWISTED.

    I can’t believ I’m reading such an ill-informed article further placating the illusion that journalism is indeed broken, but not with the people doing their jobs, from hack sites like this twisting stories based on a lack of real research.

    Again, if this is a joke article then I apologize. But there is MORE than enough ample evidence out there to support what Kamiya said in relation to the topic of on-disc DLC and Street Fighter X Tekken. Funny how like all the other sites out there you waited until AFTER this thing blew up to finally do some half-hearted reporting on the matter.

    No sir, it’s articles like this that prove gaming journalism is broken, which is why fans, gamers and hackers had to expose Capcom and their practices for what they are and not the people who are supposed to be informing gamers, fans and consumers.

  • Ryan King

    Oh dear. Someone woke up with their knickers in a twist.

    Here’s how the full conversation went:

    PrCat88: What if the content is in the disc and locked to pay for later?
    Kamiya: If it costed to make DLC, users have to pay for it, I think
    PrCat88: Sounds more like a scam if game content is intentionally withheld simply to squeeze more money out of a product
    Kamiya: Totally agreed

    That’s it. THAT IS IT. You could argue that it’s in reference to Street Fighter x Tekken but that’s all you can do – argue. The conversation does not mention Capcom or Street Fighter x Tekken’s DLC. So no, it’s not DIRECTLY in correlation. Why would you even say that? That’s something news writers have added, which is simply INCORRECT. Kamiya agreed with the tweet that it is a scam if game content is withheld and publishers charge consumers later. He’s referring to the practice, not a specific instance or game. Adding your own context around that to create a specific reference is inaccurate and wrong, even if you want to add a Street Fighter x Tekken reference for the right reasons.

    But hey, it’s not like you’ve done that right? Oh. Oh wait.

    http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Resident-Evil-Dev-Street-Fighter-X-Tekken-DLC-Scam-40540.html

    Well done, William. And a full 11 days after the tweet! Bravo. Does that still qualify as ‘news’?

    “Funny how like all the other sites out there you waited until AFTER this thing blew up to finally do some half-hearted reporting on the matter.”

    BZZZT wrong. This is a report on how other ‘journalists’, such as you, got the reports wrong. To comment on a single news story by PSBeyond wouldn’t make much sense, as that’s a single instance and it’s fair to presume others weren’t doing similar news stories because there isn’t actually a news story there (because Kamiya didn’t actually comment on Street Fighter x Tekken or Capcom). Now everyone’s staggering into this mess blind because VentureBeat started the ball rolling by covering the news story and there are far too many outlets blindly repeating their story ad verbatim, then yes, it becomes something I want to comment on. Additionally, that these news stories have crash-landed almost two weeks after the tweet is not my fault but that of those covering the story. And isn’t it a coincidence that a news story that has been dormant since the initial tweet and PSBeyond article now suddenly becomes a major thing after VentureBeat cover it and bring it to a wider audience? Find your own news stories. Jesus Christ.

    Even your headline is wrong: ‘Resident Evil Dev: Street Fighter X Tekken DLC Is A Scam’. He doesn’t even say the word scam! Even if Street Fighter x Tekken was specified – and, to repeat yet again, it wasn’t – the accurate headline here would be that Kamiya -agrees- it’s a scam. I’m sure that doesn’t tickle your sensationalist headline gland nearly as much but your job is to report things ACCURATELY, not how you see fit or how you want things to fit in with your own Street Fighter x Tekken agenda.

    Kamiya doesn’t mention Street Fighter X Tekken, nor does the tweet he’s replying to. Kamiya doesn’t mention the word scam, but he agrees with a tweet that uses the word. Despite that, your headline attributes both ‘Street Fighter x Tekken’ and ‘scam’ to Kamiya. Every single bit of your headline beyond ‘Resident Evil Dev’ is wrong. Even given the sensationalism typically found in games journalism, that headline is astonishing and it’s actually worrying you yourself can’t see that your headline is not only inaccurate but, if we want to be really pedantic, it’s actually libellous.

    That everyone has decided to pick up on this story over 10 days after the original tweet just adds to the general incompetence. VentureBeat report it, now everyone – including yourselves – are caught scrambling to catch up. Can’t you see how poor it is that you’re reporting news over 10 days after the news happened? It’s embarrassing.

    “why fans, gamers and hackers had to expose Capcom and their practices for what they are and not the people who are supposed to be informing gamers, fans and consumers.”

    Oh wait, what’s this

    http://playmag.wpengine.com/latest-playstation-news/capcom-includes-paid-dlc-on-the-disc-hilariously/

    But I wouldn’t expect someone who hasn’t done a single iota of research in the one article I’ve done here to do any further research before throwing further accusations around, even if it does involve clicking one page back.

    Ooooh it’s tricky this research business, isn’t it.

    If you want to write your own opinion pieces on the Street Fighter x Tekken DLC scam, then by all means, do it. But to attribute someone else’s quote to that when the only thing that ties them together exists in your mind, to fit in with your own agena, is erroneous, irresponsible and incorrect.

  • Ryan King

    Speaking of VentureBeat…

    http://venturebeat.com/2012/03/17/gamer-capcoms-dlc-practices-are-a-scam/

    [UPDATE: In an earlier version of this story, we referenced a report from another site that said Kamiya’s statements were directly in response to the Street Fighter X Tekken fiasco. Platinum Games has since clarified that was not the case. We apologize for the error.]

    At least they can admit their error. Can you admit yours, William?

  • “At least they can admit their error. Can you admit yours, William?”

    So much for searching, huh, Ryan?

    http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Resident-Evil-Dev-Clarifies-DLC-Comments-About-Street-Fighter-X-Tekken-40600.html

    And I was in contact with Sebastian at Venture Beat before his story ran, because a lot of other sites were glossing over the news like it was no big deal. Obviously gouging consumers isn’t worth keeping track of like Mass Effect 3’s ending. A lot of gamers didn’t even know how much of the content was locked on the disc. What’s the point of running a website when you can’t even do the simple task of informing people? You did one jovial, condescending article about the event and you think you’ve done your part? Really? Give yourself a pat on the back, ace.

    Regardless, the fan asked the question BECAUSE of the Street Fighter X Tekken incident. The original headline would have been something like this “Resident Evil Dev Agrees With Fan That Disc-Locked Content For Street Fighter X Tekken Is A Scam”. Too long, too wordy, etc,. etc.

    Again, YOU NEED to do some research on the matter and find out WHY that quote was used the way it is. You just keep jumping back to everyone twisting words and not researching, yet you did one semi-half article about it without being fully informed about the situation and you think you did gamers a service? You probably don’t even think the on-disc DLC is that bad because you probably have zero clue how much is locked and how much was stripped from the main game. The way you gloss the situation is what saddens me.

    The headlines for the Kamiya articles were sensationalist, but the content reflected what the situation was. The person asked Kamiya about the DLC because of the SFxT incident which occurred over the weekend. Did you know that? Did you know that fans were baffled and curious what was going on, which is why Kamiya was asked the question? Too many other websites were worrying about their 9s and 10s for AAA games to be bothered to find out why the FGC was in an uproar. I’m no longer a die-hard fighting fan but all it took was a little digging to see what was really going on.

    No, son, I’ve been following this thing day in and day out and using whatever I can to fuel the information train. It’s too bad Kamiya got dragged into this but his follow-up statements clarify what everyone thought he was saying at the start, and it’s that completed disc-locked content withheld from the main game is wrong. HE SAYS IT HIMSELF. He just wasn’t privy to what the fan was asking the question in relation to.

    Thankfully the Venture Beat article got a lot of other guys off their lazy rears to at least do something. That’s not to mention that I would have ran the story about Kamiya earlier had I the time, but it was something that had to keep the situation spotlighted because people are fickle with their attention spans.

    You sir, need to come down off your high horse and understand what the gaming community is going through and how instead of bashing other journalists you should have been working with them and the hackers to further understand the situation. But no, like so many other “at the top of the mountain” pseudo-journalists you decided to rant on the wrong side of the situation. You should be complaining about Capcom, and EA, and how consumers are royally being gouged. You should be more informed about this situation rather than picking fights with other websites. This is a prime example of why someone like Capcom got away with what they have for so long…instead of focusing on the problem at hand, you’re busy creating new ones.

  • Ryan King

    “The headlines for the Kamiya articles were sensationalist”

    Yes, they were.

    “I’ve been following this thing day in and day out and using whatever I can to fuel the information train” / “I would have ran the story about Kamiya earlier had I the time”

    LOL! What a massive contradiction. You seem to have plenty of time now though, popping over here to continue a losing argument. Haven’t you got an information train to fuel? Choo choo!

    “The original headline would have been something like this “Resident Evil Dev Agrees With Fan That Disc-Locked Content For Street Fighter X Tekken Is A Scam”. Too long, too wordy, etc,. etc.”

    Wow, coming up with an accurate headline involves some thought! Who knew!

    “It’s too bad Kamiya got dragged into this but his follow-up statements clarify what everyone thought he was saying at the start, and it’s that completed disc-locked content withheld from the main game is wrong. HE SAYS IT HIMSELF. He just wasn’t privy to what the fan was asking the question in relation to.”

    EXACTLY. Because Kamiya makes NO reference to Street Fighter x Tekken nor to Capcom, neither does the question asked of him, so how do we know he’s making a reference to Street Fighter x Tekken? WE DON’T. WHICH IS MY POINT. Why report him as having passed comment specifically on Street Fighter x Tekken when he has done no such thing?

    And now he’s explained what was light as day to anyone who has the capacity for rational thought and logic, instead of holding your hands up and saying mea culpa you’re acting as though it was such a horribly complicated thing to understand. He doesn’t make reference to Street Fighter x Tekken. You did. You put those words in his mouth. You were wrong. That is inaccurate reporting and deserves to be called out. Or maybe you didn’t have time to write an accurate news report and come up with an accurate headline because of information trains or whatever.

    “But no, like so many other “at the top of the mountain” pseudo-journalists you decided to rant on the wrong side of the situation. You should be complaining about Capcom, and EA, and how consumers are royally being gouged. You should be more informed about this situation rather than picking fights with other websites”

    Who are you to even say what is the right and the wrong side of the situation? People can argue for either sides. As long as they can back up their opinion, they are perfectly entitled to their point of view. But for what it’s worth:

    http://playmag.wpengine.com/general/ea-mma-exposes-online-pass-sham/
    http://playmag.wpengine.com/latest-playstation-news/capcom-includes-paid-dlc-on-the-disc-hilariously/
    http://playmag.wpengine.com/general/kingdoms-of-amalur-gets-online-pass-and-doesnt-have-multiplayer/
    http://playmag.wpengine.com/general/online-pass-whats-next/
    http://playmag.wpengine.com/general/online-pass-locks-out-batman-single-player-content/
    http://playmag.wpengine.com/general/uncharted-3-gets-psn-pass-we-called-it/
    http://playmag.wpengine.com/general/resistance-3-screwed-by-psn-pass-uncharted-3-next/

    Well, would you look at that, we’re actually on the same side.

    This is not an article attacking those for damning Capcom’s DLC policy, which I agree is disgusting, but it’s attacking those for putting words in Kamiya’s mouth WHICH HE NEVER ACTUALLY SAID, something you are guilty of.

    Be honest. You’re trying to distort this into a ‘You probably don’t even think the on-disc DLC is that bad’ argument (based on what, exactly? And what does that have to do with the argument over accurate reporting anyway?) because I’ve called hacks out on their inaccurate news reports, I’ve struck a nerve with you because you’re one of the those responsible spewing sensationalist bilge and you know you were wrong. You’ve admitted your headline was sensationalist and you’re now trying to shift the argument away from the issue of inaccurate reporting onto my own personal DLC viewpoints because you don’t have a leg to stand on.

    So well done, ‘ace’/’son’ (really?). You sure showed me up.

  • No, Ryan, you’re trying to make it like you’re a hot tamale on a cold plate….burning up the room with mad journalist skills.

    You’re basically ignoring the one thing that breaks your entire argument to pieces: The QUESTION from the fan was asked in relation to Street Fighter X Tekken. You keep saying “Well how do you know?” Ask the person yourself if you’re so sure that the question was not in relation to the DLC fallout. It was rather obvious, but again, if you do that then it proves YOU don’t have a leg to stand on.

    I’ll drop some info for you: It was asked after the FGC found out about the content and news ran rampant in the fighting game community. The entire thing involving the hackers was WELLL before Destructoid and other websites were picking up their slack to cover the news. Core gamers were pissed and took to the forums and social networks, and people who keep in contact with Kamiya simply asked the question in relation to the event without specifying names. Again, if you feel the articles were so erroneous in relation to the coverage of the circumstance, send https://twitter.com/#!/PrCat88 a tweet and see if he was asking the question in relation to the Capcom scenario. If it was, then that puts the question (and response) in context with the news articles. But if you did that it’d make your argument invalid.

    In the end, I wasted my time here on this website because I’ve been scrounging through GNews to see who has been staying on top of this debacle regarding the disc-locked content. Most of all my information about the matter has come from forum boards, yes forums. Mainly because before Venture Beat everyone else was so passe about the event, only reporting what Capcom fed them and what Destructoid put together. But after reading through this article it annoyed me that time was spent denigrating gaming journalists over an issue that’s been done in far worse ways (and for worse causes) when you should be spending this attention-fleeting time on Capcom. This is simply considering that by this time next week no one may even be talking about the DLC (although I dearly hope that’s not the case.)

    I’m at least glad you don’t support the on-disc DLC practice, but it just seems like you’ve redirected a lot of wasted energy into a separate issue, as opposed to focusing on what’s plaguing the industry right now.

  • Ryan King

    It’s not about whether PrCat88 was tweeting Kamiya in relation to the Street Fighter x Tekken. We can safely assume that the Street Fighter x Tekken controversy is why PrCat88 tweeted him that question, yes. Can we assume Kamiya knew that? No.

    That is the entire point.

    You cannot assume knowledge on Kamiya’s behalf and as the tweet to him didn’t reference Street Fighter x Tekken or Capcom or -anyone-, making that association to Street Fighter x Tekken on his behalf is dishonest. As fun as it would be to have an ex-Capcom guy calling out current Capcom practices, you absolutely cannot put those words in his mouth if he hasn’t said them.

    Now let’s pretend for a second that the Street Fighter x Tekken controversy was missed by Kamiya (which is clearly a plausible scenario in your mind if you think I could miss it as a games journalist):

    PrCat88: What if the content is in the disc and locked to pay for later?
    Kamiya: If it costed to make DLC, users have to pay for it, I think
    PrCat88: Sounds more like a scam if game content is intentionally withheld simply to squeeze more money out of a product
    Kamiya: Totally agreed

    Where is Street Fighter x Tekken mentioned? Or Capcom? How does Kamiya know he’s passing comment on the specifics of Street Fighter x Tekken rather than addressing the practice of withholding content? How do we know? We don’t because the question doesn’t mention it. Even though it’s -fairly- obvious to us, we’re still left guessing what sparked the PrCat88 tweet, so it’s not even made explicit to us and we know what the scandal is about. This is before we can even start assuming knowledge on behalf of Kamiya, which is what you did by attributing ‘Street Fighter x Tekken DLC is a scam’ to him.

    Attributing quotes correctly is not ‘mad journalistic skills’ and I don’t even know why you’re mocking it as such. Perhaps accuracy is not that important to you but regardless, it’s a fundamental skill of news reporting. Otherwise what’s to stop you from making anything up based on an out-of-context tweet?

    Example: Someone tweets Kamiya saying it sounds like a scam if game content is withheld to squeeze money out of a product. Kamiya agrees. As the exchange I transcribed above demonstrates, both of these things happened. So why not run a news story saying Kamiya is passing comment on Mass Effect’s From Ashes DLC? That could be argued it was DLC withheld from the final game and charged for later by BioWare. Saying that Kamiya is commenting on From Ashes and BioWare has every bit as much validity as a news story as saying he’s commenting on Street Fighter x Tekken and Capcom. Neither is mentioned, neither is referenced, both news stories would be based on assumed knowledge which is never made clear.

    We have addressed the issue of online passes and DLC on our site many, many times, as highlighted by the links above. It would be just as irresponsible to ignore inaccurate reporting that harms the industry as it would be for us to ignore shady DLC practices. It’s a shame you’re here to take issue with the former rather than to join forces on the latter when both are equally valid complaints and practices that the games industry could do without.

    If you can’t see that, I honestly don’t know what else to say.

  • “It would be just as irresponsible to ignore inaccurate reporting that harms the industry as it would be for us to ignore shady DLC practices. It’s a shame you’re here to take issue with the former rather than to join forces on the latter when both are equally valid complaints and practices that the games industry could do without.”

    I don’t disagree with both being equally harmful to the industry. The main problem I have is that it had to get to that point for a lot of people to even take notice of what was even going on. I feel bad for a lot of consumers who went out and bought the game being completely uninformed about the situation regarding the disc-locked content, something I might add only a handful of websites even bothered to mention (in passing, of course) in their reviews of Street Fighter X Tekken. Destructoid was one of the few who took it to the next level of actually notifying people that it was a petty and scheming move on Capcom’s part.

    Nevertheless, regarding the Kamiya incident, I’m not going to say it’s right to misrepresent quotes but I can understand how the headlines for the articles, in this particular case, could lead to the wrong conclusions.

    As mentioned, though, I know the gaming journalism bracket has its share of problems and addressing them or seeking recourse where it goes wrong is not something I’m knocking. I just feel everything has its time and place. For the most part I know that Capcom wants this whole thing buried as quickly as possible (much in the same way that EA buried Origin debacles and the more important on-disc, day-one DLC for ME3).

    I can easily see how an article like this could detract from the main issue at hand, and as mentioned, it’s not like the gaming blogosphere will stay vigilant and keep on Capcom regarding this fiasco for very long.

    Nevertheless, I do understand your point, I just wish more sites (prior to the Venture Beat article) were willing to chime in about this situation beforehand, without simply regurgitating whatever Capcom fed the community.

    All in all, thanks for at least taking time to be reasonable about this.

  • Ian Dransfield

    Why did I choose to have this week off?

    Anyway, the stories Ryan’s complaining about are all working under a shared assumption. The moment you’re working under assumption and reporting it as news/fact is the moment you need to hand your press card in.

    If you’re speaking in a hypothetical sense and mark it as so, if you’re writing an op-ed piece and mark it as so, if you do a jokey little article and mark it as so then fine.

    If you report it as news, you have failed at your job. There cannot be any argument with this, which is why you seem to have drifted away from the actual point being made by this piece and in Ryan’s follow ups.

    OH WAIT I JUST ASSUMED SOMETHING.

  • PrCat88: What if the content is in the disc and locked to pay for later?
    Kamiya: If it costed to make DLC, users have to pay for it, I think
    PrCat88: Sounds more like a scam if game content is intentionally withheld simply to squeeze more money out of a product
    Kamiya: Totally agreed

    What was mentioned before these 4 comments? You can tell that the conversation did not start off with “What if the content is in the disc and locked to pay for later?” and that something was being referenced. What was that? I’m not about to go dig through months of twitter feed in a foreign language to find it when twitter works about as well as a asthmatic long distance runner.